My bud Matt Raible blogged about reading a Scala book and I mentioned Stuart Holloway's "Programming Clojure". Matt replied "I like Scala and Groovy and see no compelling reason to learn Clojure. Am I missing something?"

Good question. Eric Lavigne said a few things about Clojure that caught my attention:

"My knowledge of Groovy and Scala are very limited, but here are my impressions relative to Clojure.

Scala seems like a good programming language. Its static typing reduces its flexibility compared to Clojure, but may still be a good deal because it helps with catching errors more quickly. Scala also has been around longer than Clojure, and has used that time to develop more sophisticated libraries than are available for Clojure right now. So why is Clojure still worth learning? Scala gets much of its flexibility from having a lot of features built into the language. Clojure has a small number of language features that are carefully chosen to work well together. The result is a language that is both very flexible and very easy to learn.

One of the design goals of Groovy was to be compatible with Java code, but providing some extra features, just as C++ was designed to be compatible with C. This is a good thing if you have a lot of Java code that you want to migrate, or if you are uncomfortable with learning something new. However, Java is inflexible and overly complicated, and trying to maintain compatibility with Java prevented Groovy from being much better than Java. I quickly lost interest in Groovy so it's possible that I missed something - I would love to hear what advantages Groovy has compared to Scala or Clojure."

There's a Clojure group on the web and this spawned a discussion there entitled "Matt Raible: "Why is Clojure better than Scala or Groovy?"

Let's discuss this!

I am going to take another look at Eric's Clojure code that won the CodeTown Coding Contest #1 on Wari. It's a great way to see how things wrk from a practical perspective. The Compojure web framework is also something I want to see... Stay tuned!

Views: 92

Happy 10th year, JCertif!

Notes

Welcome to Codetown!

Codetown is a social network. It's got blogs, forums, groups, personal pages and more! You might think of Codetown as a funky camper van with lots of compartments for your stuff and a great multimedia system, too! Best of all, Codetown has room for all of your friends.

When you create a profile for yourself you get a personal page automatically. That's where you can be creative and do your own thing. People who want to get to know you will click on your name or picture and…
Continue

Created by Michael Levin Dec 18, 2008 at 6:56pm. Last updated by Michael Levin May 4, 2018.

Looking for Jobs or Staff?

Check out the Codetown Jobs group.

 

Enjoy the site? Support Codetown with your donation.



InfoQ Reading List

Pretext.js Bypasses DOM Layout Reflow, Enabling Advanced UX Patterns at 120 FPS

Cheng Lou, a Midjourney engineer, recently released Pretext, a 15KB open-source TypeScript library that measures and lays out text without browser layout reflows, enabling advanced UX/UI patterns like infinite lists, masonry layouts, and scroll position anchoring to run at 60-120 fps. Pretext was built using an AI loop that reverse-engineered the DOM’s layout calculations.

By Bruno Couriol

Subagents in Gemini CLI Enable Task Delegation and Parallel Agent Workflows

Google has introduced subagents in Gemini CLI, a new capability designed to help developers delegate complex or repetitive tasks to specialized AI agents operating alongside a primary session.

By Robert Krzaczyński

Presentation: Event-Driven Patterns for Cloud-Native Banking - What Works, What Hurts?

Chris Tacey-Green discusses the shift from synchronous commands to asynchronous events within highly regulated environments. He explains the critical role of Inbox and Outbox patterns in preventing data loss, the nuances of event versioning, and how to maintain decoupling between domains. He shares "battle-tested" principles for implementing fault tolerance and managing eventual consistency.

By Chris Tacey-Green

Podcast: Engineering Stable, Secure and Scalable Platforms: A Conversation with Matthew Liste

In this podcast, Michael Stiefel spoke to Matthew Liste about building and managing software platforms. Platform services act as the basis for application development, and must always be stable, secure, and scalable. Scaling these systems is particularly difficult because unknown resource contention often causes them to break.

By Matthew Liste

Article: Building Production-Ready tRPC APIs: The TypeScript Alternative to Apollo Federation

This article details our migration from Apollo Federation to a TypeScript-based tRPC stack, which resulted in an 89% reduction in bugs and 67% faster response times. It also covers the mistakes we made, the unexpected performance gains, and an overview of the production architecture we use today to handle 2.4 million daily requests with 99.97% uptime.

By Dinesh Kumar Elumalai

© 2026   Created by Michael Levin.   Powered by

Badges  |  Report an Issue  |  Terms of Service