My bud Matt Raible blogged about reading a Scala book and I mentioned Stuart Holloway's "Programming Clojure". Matt replied "I like Scala and Groovy and see no compelling reason to learn Clojure. Am I missing something?"

Good question. Eric Lavigne said a few things about Clojure that caught my attention:

"My knowledge of Groovy and Scala are very limited, but here are my impressions relative to Clojure.

Scala seems like a good programming language. Its static typing reduces its flexibility compared to Clojure, but may still be a good deal because it helps with catching errors more quickly. Scala also has been around longer than Clojure, and has used that time to develop more sophisticated libraries than are available for Clojure right now. So why is Clojure still worth learning? Scala gets much of its flexibility from having a lot of features built into the language. Clojure has a small number of language features that are carefully chosen to work well together. The result is a language that is both very flexible and very easy to learn.

One of the design goals of Groovy was to be compatible with Java code, but providing some extra features, just as C++ was designed to be compatible with C. This is a good thing if you have a lot of Java code that you want to migrate, or if you are uncomfortable with learning something new. However, Java is inflexible and overly complicated, and trying to maintain compatibility with Java prevented Groovy from being much better than Java. I quickly lost interest in Groovy so it's possible that I missed something - I would love to hear what advantages Groovy has compared to Scala or Clojure."

There's a Clojure group on the web and this spawned a discussion there entitled "Matt Raible: "Why is Clojure better than Scala or Groovy?"

Let's discuss this!

I am going to take another look at Eric's Clojure code that won the CodeTown Coding Contest #1 on Wari. It's a great way to see how things wrk from a practical perspective. The Compojure web framework is also something I want to see... Stay tuned!

Views: 92

Happy 10th year, JCertif!

Notes

Welcome to Codetown!

Codetown is a social network. It's got blogs, forums, groups, personal pages and more! You might think of Codetown as a funky camper van with lots of compartments for your stuff and a great multimedia system, too! Best of all, Codetown has room for all of your friends.

When you create a profile for yourself you get a personal page automatically. That's where you can be creative and do your own thing. People who want to get to know you will click on your name or picture and…
Continue

Created by Michael Levin Dec 18, 2008 at 6:56pm. Last updated by Michael Levin May 4, 2018.

Looking for Jobs or Staff?

Check out the Codetown Jobs group.

 

Enjoy the site? Support Codetown with your donation.



InfoQ Reading List

Ubuntu Embraces Local AI Instead of Cloud-First OS Integration

Ubuntu has outlined its AI strategy, describing it as a deliberate departure from industry trends towards cloud-centric, AI-first operating systems. Instead, the company says, Ubuntu will focus future releases on local intelligence, modular design, and strict user control.

By Sergio De Simone

Google Introduces Cloud Fraud Defense as Successor to reCAPTCHA

At the recent Next ‘26 conference, Google introduced Google Cloud Fraud Defense, the successor to reCAPTCHA. The platform goes beyond basic bot detection to address broader online fraud across login, account creation, and payment flows, helping organizations detect suspicious behavior and block abuse, including fake accounts, automated attacks, and transaction fraud.

By Renato Losio

Microsoft Releases Aspire 13.3 with Major Deployment and Frontend Updates

Microsoft has released Aspire 13.3, introducing a new aspire destroy command for tearing down deployments across Azure, Kubernetes, and Compose. The release adds native Kubernetes deployment in preview, first-class JavaScript publishing for Next.js and Vite, browser log capture, and a default-enabled container tunnel, alongside several breaking changes developers should review.

By Almir Vuk

Anthropic Introduces Routines for Claude Code Automation

Anthropic has introduced a new feature called Routines for Claude Code, allowing developers to configure automated coding workflows that run on schedules, through API calls, or in response to external events.

By Daniel Dominguez

Cloudflare Introduces Workflows V2 with Deterministic Execution and 50K Concurrent Workflows

Cloudflare introduces Workflows V2, a redesigned distributed workflow orchestration system with deterministic replayable execution, improved observability, and major scaling upgrades, including 50,000 concurrent instances and 2M queued workflows. It supports AI agents, data pipelines, and background processing with improved reliability across distributed systems.

By Leela Kumili

© 2026   Created by Michael Levin.   Powered by

Badges  |  Report an Issue  |  Terms of Service